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Don't forget, that this whole COVID-19 thing is not going to end until November 3, 2020.
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    Welp....Bars, night clubs, and gyms closed. I don't care much about bars and clubs, but I'm pretty pissed about the gyms. My gym, and I presume most others have been doing really well with self policing i.e. cleanliness, distancing, masks, etc. I feel safer going to the gym than the supermarket.

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    Welp....Bars, night clubs, and gyms closed. I don't care much about bars and clubs, but I'm pretty pissed about the gyms. My gym, and I presume most others have been doing really well with self policing i.e. cleanliness, distancing, masks, etc. I feel safer going to the gym than the supermarket.

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    Yes I am pretty pissed about the gyms too! Working out helps increase our immunity to fight off potential infections. Also, gyms have been keeping up with wiping machines down and sanitizing. I had a month of consistent training and now we get too loose another month. Now back to being detrained.

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    Yes I am pretty pissed about the gyms too! Working out helps increase our immunity to fight off potential infections. Also, gyms have been keeping up with wiping machines down and sanitizing. I had a month of consistent training and now we get too loose another month. Now back to being detrained.
    Yeah it sucks, after two months without, I was finally feeling strong again after a month back at it, guess it's back to running and bodyweight stuff again.

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    Welp....Bars, night clubs, and gyms closed. I don't care much about bars and clubs, but I'm pretty pissed about the gyms. My gym, and I presume most others have been doing really well with self policing i.e. cleanliness, distancing, masks, etc. I feel safer going to the gym than the supermarket.

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    As far as economic impact, if you compare gyms vs bars/taverns, a bars being closed will have a far greater impact than any gym does.   For every bar, their a many distributors that supply them with goods, ie beer, Food, chips etc, and that is where the economic impact will be felt.   Each tavern is just a small % of the distributors biz, but when you have 1,000 taverns closed could mean 50% of that distributors biz which means the drivers, whse stocking people will be laid off thus making more people on un-employment. 

    All of these closings will have a negative effect on this countries economy.   Just a bad move no matter what !  :thumbdown
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    Gee, thanks, Guv; for sticking the fork in our VFW post. Your latest closure "extension" has finally done us in.

    We closed voluntarily on March 14, in the interest of our Post Members' health. On the 18th, our Quartermaster went in to close out various distributor orders, and discovered 3" of water everywhere inside the building. The venerable ice machine had given up its ghost and a ruptured feed line did the rest. Between flood remediation, employee and volunteer hours, and insurance, we weathered a loss in the vicinity of about $25k. We had finally gotten it all back together and had ordered supplies for a grand reopening July 4 weekend.

    Last year, the Post received the national award for service to Veterans.

    Then this.

    We had managed it all. Now we're weighing options, and it looks like reopening may be a pipe dream. I might add that for our Zip Code, the infections/death numbers add up to a fat 0/0.

    Meanwhile the big cities, with their promiscuous riots, etc., keep driving numbers skyward.

    But one size fits us all politics gave us this.

    Enough!

    F*ck Ducey. I hope he catches the bug and dies on a ventilator; just like my own Brother did in White Plains NY the end of January.

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    How long do you guys think the mask order will last? Just curious.

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    How long do you guys think the mask order will last? Just curious.
    If someone tells you don't believe them.  No one really knows.  All we can do is be patient and wait. 

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    Gee, thanks, Guv; for sticking the fork in our VFW post. Your latest closure "extension" has finally done us in.

    We closed voluntarily on March 14, in the interest of our Post Members' health. On the 18th, our Quartermaster went in to close out various distributor orders, and discovered 3" of water everywhere inside the building. The venerable ice machine had given up its ghost and a ruptured feed line did the rest. Between flood remediation, employee and volunteer hours, and insurance, we weathered a loss in the vicinity of about $25k. We had finally gotten it all back together and had ordered supplies for a grand reopening July 4 weekend.

    Last year, the Post received the national award for service to Veterans.

    Then this.

    We had managed it all. Now we're weighing options, and it looks like reopening may be a pipe dream. I might add that for our Zip Code, the infections/death numbers add up to a fat 0/0.

    Meanwhile the big cities, with their promiscuous riots, etc., keep driving numbers skyward.

    But one size fits us all politics gave us this.

    Enough!

    F*ck Ducey. I hope he catches the bug and dies on a ventilator; just like my own Brother did in White Plains NY the end of January.

    Not smiling...

    Greg

    Greg - You and me are both not smiling.   This is the biggest FU he could give to the small biz owner, who today are on their own life support system which is non-existent and will NOT CHANGE His COVID-19 Numbers. 

    He (Ducey) deserves a BIG F**K Y*U from everybody in this state. 

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    As far as economic impact, if you compare gyms vs bars/taverns, a bars being closed will have a far greater impact than any gym does.   For every bar, their a many distributors that supply them with goods, ie beer, Food, chips etc, and that is where the economic impact will be felt.   Each tavern is just a small % of the distributors biz, but when you have 1,000 taverns closed could mean 50% of that distributors biz which means the drivers, whse stocking people will be laid off thus making more people on un-employment. 

    All of these closings will have a negative effect on this countries economy.   Just a bad move no matter what !  :thumbdown
    Call me selfish, but I was not referencing economic impact, I was referring to my (and others for that matter) health and personal well-being. That being said, I don't disagree with your statement on the economy, it's a travesty IMO. I enjoy craft breweries (I know, oxymoron to health) on the weekend, and it will certainly have a huge impact on them, although I will continue to support them via carryout.

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    Gee, thanks, Guv; for sticking the fork in our VFW post. Your latest closure "extension" has finally done us in.

    We closed voluntarily on March 14, in the interest of our Post Members' health. On the 18th, our Quartermaster went in to close out various distributor orders, and discovered 3" of water everywhere inside the building. The venerable ice machine had given up its ghost and a ruptured feed line did the rest. Between flood remediation, employee and volunteer hours, and insurance, we weathered a loss in the vicinity of about $25k. We had finally gotten it all back together and had ordered supplies for a grand reopening July 4 weekend.

    Last year, the Post received the national award for service to Veterans.

    Then this.

    We had managed it all. Now we're weighing options, and it looks like reopening may be a pipe dream. I might add that for our Zip Code, the infections/death numbers add up to a fat 0/0.

    Meanwhile the big cities, with their promiscuous riots, etc., keep driving numbers skyward.

    But one size fits us all politics gave us this.

    Enough!

    F*ck Ducey. I hope he catches the bug and dies on a ventilator; just like my own Brother did in White Plains NY the end of January.

    Not smiling...

    Greg
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    Restrictions need to be behavior based.  Nor business based.  If you can operate a business where employees and customers wear masks, maintain distance,. and the place is routinely cleaned and disinfected - maybe grab a UV light to keep in there, then it's up to the business and patrons to behave in accordance to the order (not law).

    If restaurants can be open, so should bars.
    If Home depot can be open, so should Gyms
    If Walmart can be open, so should any other mom and pop operation.

    The secret to staying healthy and re-flatening the curve isn't who owns the business or what kind it is.  It's how the owner and patrons behave in the establishment.
    The only thing that separates man from animal is our affinity for toilet paper.
    Once we, as a society, lose that affinity, we begin to descend back into the animal kingdom, and after three or more days you will find the food chain beginning to invert on itself.

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    Restrictions need to be behavior based.  Nor business based.  If you can operate a business where employees and customers wear masks, maintain distance,. and the place is routinely cleaned and disinfected - maybe grab a UV light to keep in there, then it's up to the business and patrons to behave in accordance to the order (not law).

    If restaurants can be open, so should bars.
    If Home depot can be open, so should Gyms
    If Walmart can be open, so should any other mom and pop operation.

    The secret to staying healthy and re-flatening the curve isn't who owns the business or what kind it is.  It's how the owner and patrons behave in the establishment.

    Reminds me of the following:

    I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves.

    Joseph Smith, Jr.

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    Those who will not govern themselves are condemned to find masters to govern over them.

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      As Carnac the Magnificent would say to the governor,,, " MAY THE SEWERS of RANGOON, BACK UP INTO YOUR CORNFLAKES"

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    Yes, but please let's not be bandying it around, hmmm....

    We have the very best crew and patrons; but for now, it's locked, and will remains so for the next 20+ days.

    And please, let's also not be doing any funding efforts. We have to do this on our own, or not at all.

    Greg
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    Small businesses need to push back, if the big box stores can be open so can mom and pop, and other small businesses, I chatted with a couple fellas i assisted in mentoring new biz owners a few years ago, anyhows, during our breakfast meet, he shared that well over 50% of the start ups he worked with in the last 8 months have failed, not all were due to this scamdemic, but he did share many were as they at the 6month mark is the make or break #'s count. anyway,

    Being selective as to who can be open and not should be the business owners responsiblity not some idiot who knows nada about how things work when you work for  a living.

    I'd say they should ban together and push back hard and open, and then fight it in court, if necessary, plenty of pro bono groups will step up when this happens.
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    RJ - I am on your side.

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    Yes, but please let's not be bandying it around, hmmm....

    We have the very best crew and patrons; but for now, it's locked, and will remains so for the next 20+ days.

    And please, let's also not be doing any funding efforts. We have to do this on our own, or not at all.

    Greg

    I am sure there are fellow vets who would want to help and if it comes down to this, you should be proud fellow vets are willing to join the fight.  In a combat zone I have never seen one soldier / platoon  tell another we don't want your help...   

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    I am sure there are fellow vets who would want to help and if it comes down to this, you should be proud fellow vets are willing to join the fight.  In a combat zone I have never seen one soldier / platoon  tell another we don't want your help...   

    Semper Fi...
    I feel the same way but I am not a vet.  Does that make me incapable?

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    The "knowing something" I guessed was humor. It did make me  :))

    The "ran out and bought new TVs..."  :rotfl

    The time is supposed to be 40 hours of use. I wear it to do a job and then put I back into the bag when not in use when possible. It has been when I cannot easily breath from them I change them. I don't get a lot of dirt or dust in my work environment.

    I just ordered another set of filters from Amazon. $30ish is not a bad price for a set. Amazon price for $185.00 for a new one is not to bad. I can ask the company I got it for a referral number if they will sell it for less than Amazon??

    Glad I could make someone laugh. In all the seriousness going on, seems to be in short supply.

    I appreciate the info on the mask and the price isn't bad at all. Filters being had for that much is also good prices.

    Thank you.

    Also yes any other info you would or could share is always appreciated. Never hurts to have knowledge from actual users and not just the internet... haha.
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    I am sure there are fellow vets who would want to help and if it comes down to this, you should be proud fellow vets are willing to join the fight.  In a combat zone I have never seen one soldier / platoon  tell another we don't want your help...   

    Semper Fi...
    I feel the same way but I am not a vet.  Does that make me incapable?
    Easy guys.  Easy.  We are behind the curve here compared to Greg so I'll defer to his judgement and wishes.   When and if the time comes to render aid all he needs to know is that we are behind him and willing. 
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    Well I agree with the statements here and fully agree Ducey has made some stupid, massively ignorant, and arguably lazy decisions. For being a "businessman" he sure isn't that good.

    These absurd lockdown abuses damage people's physical health, mental health, financial savings, the economy, and small businesses.

    You know who is not being hurt? The big boys, namely Amazon and Walmart.

    Pathetic what this fear mongering has gotten us all because some plandemic is going on. I am far more worried about the epidemic spread of stupidity and liberal leftist socialism than I am the Kung Flu. This could have been better contained by DEMOCRAT states who allowed it to spread more readily. Not to mention sending the patients to nursing homes to kill the elderly (probably more conservative leaning voters).

    Anytime you see a doctor come out and they all the sudden claim something different or go hysterical about the spread, I don't believe them... doesn't truly seem like anyone knows anymore then the next guy and or they're just fear mongering for the masses. Viruses don't usually change so quickly with their insane claims. Also the sun generally kills everything so being outside is good...

    Government loves unchecked power... this is not good for the common man.

    Fauchi has been in his job since 1984 and has big connections to none other than Bill Gates who wants to push a vaccine to profit off of and vaccine tracking and all kinds of other evil things. We talk about draining the swamp festering in DC, start with Fauchi. Has to be someone who's just as experienced or more so to take over the job who doesn't have a stake with a POS Globalist billionaire. As with any serious doctor diagnosis, America should get a 2nd opinion.
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    Two days downrange, I am apprehensive about my comments.

    I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box. I may well have gone off half cocked. The observation about pipe dreams was mine alone, a pessimistic conclusion after our last remaining canteen worker (my Granddaughter) had just returned from taking down the July 4 celebration announcement on our outdoor sign that she had just put up 2 hours earlier.

    Very discouraging.

    So I'm putting the brakes on about where the Post is going. I don't know any more about that than any other member of our community here, and I need to moderate my message accordingly.

    I am gratified by the suggestions concerning assistance. We're not at that point yet, and may not be there at all anytime soon. I sincerely hope not.

    That said; this morning's Fox News appears to be homing in on the dissatisfaction across the Nation about just this sort of recidivism. It's a bucket of cold water on the folks who have been working very hard to preserve our institutions. For us, There's been no social interaction outside the home since mid-March. Prolonging this basically universal policy of house arrest simply pushes one's tolerance to the breaking point. I do NOT want to speculate about outcomes, but I am not optimistic.

    Personally, I am superbly fortunate that we are all handling this very well in our own home. But that cannot be a universal situation, with dysfunctional families running on the edge toward the intersection of frustration and incapacity. We had all of us been enthused in contemplation of some sort of national social celebration just a few days from now. Now that hope is dashed, and lots if us, not just myself, are grumbling in our beards.

    The Governors are walking an edge regarding their own justifiable authority, about a hairsbreadth away from taking it on the chin from the increasingly outraged electorate. I think that while actions may be legal, their overextension can breed the sort of sentiment that undermines ROL to an irreversible extent.

    For a lot of folks, it's already past that point. I hope we can find our way back.

    This reversal is not like the ones that went before. It's a straw, and it's highly likely to be a final one.

    Greg
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    Two days downrange, I am apprehensive about my comments.

    I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box. I may well have gone off half cocked. The observation about pipe dreams was mine alone, a pessimistic conclusion after our last remaining canteen worker (my Granddaughter) had just returned from taking down the July 4 celebration announcement on our outdoor sign that she had just put up 2 hours earlier.

    Very discouraging.

    So I'm putting the brakes on about where the Post is going. I don't know any more about that than any other member of our community here, and I need to moderate my message accordingly.

    I am gratified by the suggestions concerning assistance. We're not at that point yet, and may not be there at all anytime soon. I sincerely hope not.

    That said; this morning's Fox News appears to be homing in on the dissatisfaction across the Nation about just this sort of recidivism. It's a bucket of cold water on the folks who have been working very hard to preserve our institutions. For us, There's been no social interaction outside the home since mid-March. Prolonging this basically universal policy of house arrest simply pushes one's tolerance to the breaking point. I do NOT want to speculate about outcomes, but I am not optimistic.

    Personally, I am superbly fortunate that we are all handling this very well in our own home. But that cannot be a universal situation, with dysfunctional families running on the edge toward the intersection of frustration and incapacity. We had all of us been enthused in contemplation of some sort of national social celebration just a few days from now. Now that hope is dashed, and lots if us, not just myself, are grumbling in our beards.

    The Governors are walking an edge regarding their own justifiable authority, about a hairsbreadth away from taking it on the chin from the increasingly outraged electorate. I think that while actions may be legal, their overextension can breed the sort of sentiment that undermines ROL to an irreversible extent.

    For a lot of folks, it's already past that point. I hope we can find our way back.

    This reversal is not like the ones that went before. It's a straw, and it's highly likely to be a final one.

    Greg

    I'm truly sorry for what you all are dealing with. It ain't right and it ain't fair. This may sound a little extreme but I do feel it being the 4th, lot of people truly hate America at this point... lots of cities usually do firework displays, etc. Cancelled... we have become a nation of sheep (as a whole, not all of us) crippled by fear.

    I'd say call your sheriff since you sound like you're out of the city and see what they think. I've seen some sheriff's rising up across the nation saying they won't enforce the lockdowns.

    I'm a bit of a rebel rightly so as an American and I'd be hard pressed not to move forward. Of course you all do what would be best for you, but it'd be hell of bad optics to shut down the VFW. Maybe get Fox out there... amazing what a PR nightmare for politicians becomes motivational for them to change course. Guaranteed most don't know about you guys being shut down as well. That would probably outrage a lot of people.
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    There is maybe some good news.  Was reading this AM that some of our local elected representatives ( who some own small biz) now want to rein in some of the Governors powers.   They are not happy with it either.   Maybe we will see something happen on this front shortly.   
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