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Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2019, 08:04:47 am »
Hey Jarhead, don't know anything about them  but have you seen the BM59's
Might be worth a look.  :hmm

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #151 on: August 23, 2019, 08:54:59 am »
    Yes, I have.

    I like them; but they are priced way up out of my range.

    Edited to Add:

    Just viewed the link. The JRA receiver is "American Made", but no mention (that I could hear) was made of it being forged. That price is intriguing.



    For me, a forged receiver is a "must"; but really, right now, SWMBO is not entertaining any proposals for $1k+ rifle purchases.

    The cast receiver was the main reason I divested my SA M1a (...after the fact that we were in a medically induced state of paupery); before any issues would develop. I had been looking for a Norinco M-14 because they had forged receivers; but they're just not very available.

    I also like the DCM Special 308 because it has no issues with any factory ammo, per the CMP forum; unlike the BM-59.

    https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Who-has-a-James-River-BM59-/5-2088489/

    I do appreciate the time and research you've invested; thanks aplenty.

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    « Last Edit: August 23, 2019, 09:34:48 am by JarheadAZ »
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #152 on: October 13, 2019, 12:27:58 pm »
    I currently own a 1903 Springfield and a No.4 Enfield and I have to say, I prefer Enfields for the simple reason of the smooth action. Nothing smoother in my opinion. I have owned mausers also, but still overall, prefer the Enfields.
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #153 on: October 18, 2019, 04:31:17 pm »
    It appears...from the last few gun shows anyway that the Enfields have disappeared and the only two I have seen were priced sky high.  Perhaps they were all converted to "genuine" jungle carbines.
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #154 on: October 18, 2019, 09:55:29 pm »
    There's still a few around but the nice ones are scarce.   :coffee
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #155 on: January 25, 2020, 08:11:53 am »
    FWIW, my search for a "Milspec" .308 is done. A stretch of the term, I've acquired a PA-10 Lower and a 20" PA-10 Upper.

    Modifications include a PSA Two-Stage Match Trigger, a Bolt Release extension, and an 8" UTG Recon Flex Bipod. I'm sticking to 10rd mags to work with the 8" bipod, and another, longer one, is being contemplated for use with 20rd mags.

    One of my shooting Buddies has the same (almost) combination, but his uses the 18" barrel, which uses the mid-length gas system and has experienced considerable cycling/lockback issues. Because of this, I ordered the 20" which uses the rifle length gas system, in an effort to avoid his issues. It looks like it's worked great.

    I got it out two days ago for a firstfire/sight-in using IMI 150gr FMJ and it ran very well. Ten rounds down the bore so far, and its ready for load testing.

    Test loads will all be 168gr, Speer Gold Dot and Hornady 168gr HPBT Match. The goal will be to use IMI 168 Semi-Auto Match as a benchmark load, and to develop equal or better loads using the two preceding bullets. My preference is to get the Gold Dot working as well as the IMI, or better.

    Starting loads are built on once fired IMI and new Starline 308 cases. Propellant is IMR-4064 (currently in short supply), WLR Primers, the mentioned bullets and 42.5 and 43.5gr of IMR-4064.

    The IMI 168 works very well in my 24" Savage 11VT with the Bushnell AR Drop Zone BDC 308 scope, another one of this scope is currently being zeroed n the PA-10 for the 168 load, and is also now on both 6.5 Grendels (as an experiment).

    Simultaneous development is also progressing with the two Grendel guns.

    Looking to get out again soon and continue the development. The range is 50 miles South of me in Douglas, a mile from the Mex/USA border.

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #156 on: January 26, 2020, 06:48:54 am »
    I am also running a 20" PA 10. I have had luck with the following. Hornady interlock 165grn over 42.5 of benchmark producing 2775fps with good grouping.  I have not stretched the load though, only firing out to 250 yds so far. I run a timney comp single stage trigger.
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    « Reply #157 on: January 26, 2020, 08:01:52 am »
    Sounds good.

    I'm not familiar with Benchmark. My main powder for 308 and 30-'06 is IMR-4064, and I did some trials with Varget about 15-20 years back.

    Varget is a good powder (especially when temps got elevated), but back then there was considerable lot-to-lot variation. The IMR-4064 wasn't/isn't as temp stable, but it's also more of a known, consistent issue.

    I use the Varget for my 223 loads.

    I've yet to fire any load development loads in the PA-10.

    Will report, but it may be awhile before I can get out and test again. The Wife and I tend to get sidetracked a bunch with medical appointments, etc.

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #158 on: January 26, 2020, 08:50:42 am »
    Sold my small collection of Spanish Mausers a few years back to

    purchase more Colt pistols.

    But if I find one again, I would get another Spanish FR-8. It was originally chambered in

    7.62 CETME, but I shot commercial .308 Win in it with no problems.

    Light weight carbine, with long sight radius that packed a good punch.
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #159 on: January 26, 2020, 04:47:55 pm »
    I've stayed out of this thread for a while.  Reading curiously but without enough info for an opinion.

    I still don't own a Mil-Surp but have shot enough to opine on the topic now, at least I think....

    Of all of the Mil-Surp weapons I've handled or shot, none comes close to the SKS.  Especially the very late production SK's that took AK mags.
    Distant second is the AK and its variants.

    Why?  Maintenance and Shootability.  It has to be the easiest to own weapon in the world.

    I keep playing with getting into the Mil-Surps and each time I've turned down the opportunity (some fantastic opportunities) because it wasn't as dirt simple or dirt cheap as an SKS.

    I know I'm gonna get thrown in the Hater-aide for this but that's where I land and why.  Totally open to changing my mind eventually but not likely.
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #160 on: January 27, 2020, 10:56:04 pm »
    "Hater-aide" ?   Here?    :blink   Nah, you good bro.   :thumbup   
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #161 on: January 28, 2020, 08:37:18 am »
    Not by me.

    I own two rifles chambered in 7.62x39, an older Savage 10FCM Scout, and a Yugo M59/66A1.

    I like them both very much.

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #162 on: January 29, 2020, 08:13:57 am »
    My first rifle I built from a parts kit was a

    Yugo M70AB2 in 7.62x39. Used a Nodak Spud receiver.

    I even added a little trench art to it.  ;-D
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #163 on: January 29, 2020, 01:12:35 pm »
    Shouldnt it be, "Наташа" ?
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #164 on: January 29, 2020, 02:45:18 pm »
    Not sure? In Russian, yes.

    Turkish it would mean “Prostitute”

     
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #165 on: January 30, 2020, 07:27:57 am »
    Here is a pic of a YUGO SKS with trench art that I stole the art work from.  :-P

    My "Little Natasha"  :drool

    A good friend of mine did the parkarizing of the metal parts.  :thumbup

    He also helped with bucking the rivets on the 1.5 mm receiver. (AK Builders tooling)

    One of the nicest AKMs I've seen assembled from a parts kit.   ;-D

     
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #166 on: January 31, 2020, 05:54:21 am »
    Lol!  Pretty cool stuff. I haven't gotten to the level of trying to build/rebuild some of this stuff.  Has always interested me though.
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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #167 on: January 31, 2020, 08:24:02 am »
    FWIW, my initial test load for the 20" PA-10 will be Starline commercial brass (more capacity than LC, etc.), Speer 168gr .308 Gold Dot, Win WLR Primer, 43.5gr IMR-4064.

    This is an interpretation of the Glenn Zediker N/M M14/M1a load, which uses LC (and later, IMI) brass.

    The earlier loads using 42.5gr IMR-4064 will also tested, along with some 150gr and 125gr loads.

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #168 on: February 02, 2020, 07:04:23 pm »
    The only other rifle I've built from a parts kit was a STEN Mk III semi auto.

    Basically the zip gun of military firearms.  :rotfl

    Here it is with a faux silencer.

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #169 on: September 15, 2020, 07:55:11 pm »
    Since the Garand is verboten for this thread then it's my Enfield jungle carbine. It's compact and the bolt is butter smooth. The runner up is my 34 Tula Mosin with the hex receiver.
    I’ve always wanted a jungle carbine even after reading all of the horror stories of their potential inaccuracies. They just look bada$$.
    I’ve had several milsurps including Mausers, Enfields, and others but the most ergonomically correct for me is the lowly Mosin Nagant. They just fit me better than any of the others. Who’d a thunk?!
    « Last Edit: September 15, 2020, 09:27:50 pm by SixShooter »

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    Re: Favorite Milsurp Rifle - and why?
    « Reply #170 on: September 15, 2020, 08:06:34 pm »
    Whatever works.  Always nice to have a rifle that can be used as a canoe paddle, a jackstand for the truck or numerous other things besides shooting.  :-P
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