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MisterDoeMan

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IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
« on: July 24, 2020, 09:24:16 pm »
are both impractical and unsafe as personal defense weapons in modern times: they require special equipment and skills to deal with properly: they can be quite unreliable in an emergency also; they're not too wet-weather friendly; black powder is a dangerous explosive

I believe black powder might even be shock, static-electricity or friction sensitive.

I suppose in their heyday they were considered an improvement over long bows, clubs and spears still. Soldiers of the pre-repeating/pre-smokeless powder eras still thought it prudent to back up muskets with swords and daggers.





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    armoredman

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    Re: IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
    « Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 10:50:06 pm »
    While my 1851 Pietta Navy .44 might not be my first or second, or third choice, to be honest, but if it was my ONLY choice, I'd use it. Modern black powder and substitutes are better than the original, and caps are better. The loading system is, compared to changing a magazine, insanely slow, but again, if it was my only choice, I'd use it. The invention of powder missile weapons changed the battlefield forever.
    In the meantime my CZ P-10C works just fine,  :thumbup

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    Re: IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
    « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 03:04:46 am »
    While my 1851 Pietta Navy .44 might not be my first or second, or third choice, to be honest, but if it was my ONLY choice, I'd use it. Modern black powder and substitutes are better than the original, and caps are better. The loading system is, compared to changing a magazine, insanely slow, but again, if it was my only choice, I'd use it. The invention of powder missile weapons changed the battlefield forever.
    In the meantime my CZ P-10C works just fine,  :thumbup
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    Re: IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 07:49:52 am »
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    Re: IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
    « Reply #4 on: July 30, 2020, 09:26:31 pm »
    I'd bet my life on any cap and ball in my collection. With properly fitted balls, a ring of lead is shaved off of them when loading, ensuring a perfect air and water tight seal. Properly fitted nipples are likewise water resistant. I've kept a loaded 1860 Army for well over a year in a dresser drawer and it shot 5/5 when I took it out. There are folks who have inherited cap and ball rifles that have been loaded since the 1800s and they simply added a new cap and fired em. There is a lot of myth surrounding the reliability of muzzleloaders, most of which I believe was started by those manufacturing cartridge weapons
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    Re: IMHO, black-powder guns or muzzle-loaders
    « Reply #5 on: July 31, 2020, 02:01:52 am »
    Oh, but rotary phones are the best.... ;-D :thumbup I actually did threaten staff at one duty post that if they didn't quit screwing around with the phones system I was going to replace them all with rotary phones just to watch them go nuts.

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