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“Since 2010, Arizona’s population has increased by an astounding 16 percent, with approximately one million new residents moving to the state over the past ten years. Many of these transplants (nearly 30 percent) hail from California — and who can blame them for migrating to a more hospitable economic environment? The cost of living in Los Angeles is 67 percent higher than in Phoenix, and the cost of homeownership is nearly 200 percent higher. For many Californians, Arizona has provided a safe haven for those who can no longer afford to live in their own state.

The same holds true for most other people who have migrated to Arizona in hopes of escaping high housing and living costs. Behind California, these states include Washington, Illinois, and Colorado, and Texas. (Notably, of these top five, Texas is the only Republican state). Indeed, these migrations have dramatically altered the political landscape of the state.

The result of this population boom is that there are 51,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans since 2016, and 49,000 more independents — most of whom say they lean toward the left. Considering the last permanent tax increase to come before Arizona voters was in 2012 (which failed by a two-thirds margin), it’s not hard to decipher the significance of these shifting population trends. Unfortunately, most people moving to Arizona are not doing so to escape the politics of their home state, but rather the housing costs therein. Most of these transplants simply don’t see the intrinsic connection between the two — and so their liberal proclivities accompany them when they move.”


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    coelacanth

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    Yup.  No single snowflake thinks it is responsible for the avalanche.    :coffee
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    These retards are going to destroy this state. God help us.

    Vote in every election. No matter how big...  :facepalm
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    I moved to Arizona about 2 years ago from Washington State...Seattle.
    One of the primary motives was to escape from the insane liberal politics in Seattle that pervade everything. 

    I should have done more homework as I believed that Arizona was solidly conservative.  My error. :cursing

    I am really bummed. :facepalm
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    coelacanth

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    Compared to Seattle we still are.   Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff compare more closely to coastal Washington than any of us are comfortable with and even places like Prescott are sort of Spokaneish these days.  We have long been a dumping ground for California's problems and Illinois' problems and many others so now the weight of all that has started to tilt our society inexorably to the left. 

    Sorry we aren't living up to your expectations but imagine how those of us who are very long term residents or native born Arizonans feel about it.   :saywhat
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    Libertarian_freedom

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    I moved to Arizona about 2 years ago from Washington State...Seattle.
    One of the primary motives was to escape from the insane liberal politics in Seattle that pervade everything. 

    I should have done more homework as I believed that Arizona was solidly conservative.  My error. :cursing

    I am really bummed. :facepalm
    Conservativtism is a relative term. Both right and left demand socialism. The right demanding I fund your safespace behing a "bloated blue line". Locally in Phx, we have an 11% rape case clearance rate with over 7500 untested rape kits. With violent crime rising and over $1 billion in funding. We're just throwing money away due to a fraud.
     The 2 ideologys are too close tell apart at this point. There are only 2 real differences. The abortion debate and the second amendment issue. That will be settled shortly, since politics are a game of compromise.
     The second amendment issue is the trickier one. Since the right are the "used car salesman of gun control". They say they want to protect it. But actions speak louder than words. Reagan and even Trump have damaged the second amendment protections more than any Dem in my memory. Don't be fooled, they work hand in hand for the means to the same ends. 

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    Spoken like a true Libertarian.   You take elements of truth and try to weave together a narrative just as a spider weaves a web.  The web is mostly empty space as is your narrative in this case.  Nobody with a knowledge of history disputes the fact that a two party system is prone to cronyism and collegiality on matters of real importance while giving the outward show of fierce, principled resistance for general public consumption.  Welcome to politics 101. 

    All terms in a political debate are relative. I have been labelled everything from extreme right wing to extreme left wing depending on who was doing the labelling.  The Libertarian party and those who populate it have no leg to stand on in the current political debate as their numbers in most precincts amount to a rounding error on the number of fraudulent ballots cast.  The national Libertarian party is and always has been a joke in poor taste and is the poster child for the old saying, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.".  I know this because I am a former member of that sorry group both on the national and local levels.   

    The reason socialism is demanded across the political spectrum is it pays so well for those in charge.  Welcome to politics 101.1.   Socialism is a parasite that eventually kills the host organism.  It always has been and it always will be.  Any system of governance that ignores fundamental human nature is doomed to failure from the start.  Any system of governance that ignores objective truth is doomed from the start.  A constitutional republic is the highest and best form of national governance yet devised and even that can be corrupted from within.  Welcome to politics 101.2.

    As long as we are governed by lawyers, accountants, administrators and unelected bureaucrats we will never be able to reach our potential.  A more pithy observation from someone more qualified than myself to comment on it follows:

    "The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best."   

    "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." 

    Both quotes are by Dr. Thomas Sowell.

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    Wrong.
    We moved here from a conservative part of CA that was being overrun by Coastal Democrats.
    So our primary reason was politics. This included the accompanying increased crime, taxes, cost of living.
    We're in a rural part of Mohave County. I don't consider any of the population centers a part of Arizona.

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    Conservativtism is a relative term. Both right and left demand socialism. The right demanding I fund your safespace behing a "bloated blue line". Locally in Phx, we have an 11% rape case clearance rate with over 7500 untested rape kits. With violent crime rising and over $1 billion in funding. We're just throwing money away due to a fraud.
     The 2 ideologys are too close tell apart at this point. There are only 2 real differences. The abortion debate and the second amendment issue. That will be settled shortly, since politics are a game of compromise.
     The second amendment issue is the trickier one. Since the right are the "used car salesman of gun control". They say they want to protect it. But actions speak louder than words. Reagan and even Trump have damaged the second amendment protections more than any Dem in my memory. Don't be fooled, they work hand in hand for the means to the same ends. 

    It is quite easy to paint with a broad brush and make it agreeable to your position. You're speaking in platitudes. What we need across the board is real solutions to the problems.

    A large problem with the spike in crime is cops are lazy and they lack the proper guidance and the proper leadership. They are often given blind support. Yet they are often the first in the modern age to go government thug on us.

    This to me doesn't seem like necessarily a party issue, but a fatal flaw among law enforcement
     They act beholden not to a party, but who ever wields the power. There are plenty like them through history who were "just following orders".

    I am not "anti police" but do know what I see day in and day out. The only thing worse than the lazy and incompetent ones is the ones who think they're a Jack-Boot thug of the government and are there to do the government's bidding.

    Also, I am a strong conservative. Have been my whole life. My family is/was as well. I don't want socialism. No one I know wants socialism. We would all rise to fight it until the bitter end. What we do want is to be left the hell alone. We want the government out of our business and lives. We want the government to stop taxing us all to death. I feel it is apt to say, none of us have had real representation for a LONG time. No taxation without representation... sound familiar?

    Trump is the closet thing trying to save this country in a President we have had in a long time. It is an uphill battle for sure. Is anyone perfect? No. I don't expect him to be. What I do believe and know is, if he followed his own instincts and guts his cabinet members and replaces them with good people, we will all be better off. The swamp starts where either party recommends someone for a position in his administration that he doesn't know or trust to some degree.

    Government is a leech. They in theory work at the direction and discretion of "We the People". Those aren't just words to us on the conservative side. They mean something. Something that cannot be replaced. Freedom is part of the human soul.

    None of us want to actually live through 1984. None of us want or need a boot stomping on our face forever.

    While there is obviously flaws within government today, it isn't based on our founding. It's based on the corruption of man and those that wield the power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, so they say.

    Our problem lies within a good system that has been corrupted by those in power. For America to survive, we need to remove the cancer that is the modern day politician. This goes on the local level as well. We need to change things and hold people accountable to be sure our rights are protected and our state remains free.

    Wrong.
    We moved here from a conservative part of CA that was being overrun by Coastal Democrats.
    So our primary reason was politics. This included the accompanying increased crime, taxes, cost of living.
    We're in a rural part of Mohave County. I don't consider any of the population centers a part of Arizona.

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    I agree. The "urban centers" don't align with anyone's conservative values here.

    I bet you, if we audited local elections, we would similarly find wide spread fraud. I always tell my wife, idiot liberals aren't the majority. They just scream the loudest and it seems like there is more of them then there really is...
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
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    PJD.R100/7

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    The first turned WA blue, then OR, NV, and now AZ.  Are clueless bUw link of progressive policies and high prices. 

    GeorgeandSugar

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    Spoken like a true Libertarian.   You take elements of truth and try to weave together a narrative just as a spider weaves a web.  The web is mostly empty space as is your narrative in this case.  Nobody with a knowledge of history disputes the fact that a two party system is prone to cronyism and collegiality on matters of real importance while giving the outward show of fierce, principled resistance for general public consumption.  Welcome to politics 101. 

    All terms in a political debate are relative. I have been labelled everything from extreme right wing to extreme left wing depending on who was doing the labelling.  The Libertarian party and those who populate it have no leg to stand on in the current political debate as their numbers in most precincts amount to a rounding error on the number of fraudulent ballots cast.  The national Libertarian party is and always has been a joke in poor taste and is the poster child for the old saying, "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.".  I know this because I am a former member of that sorry group both on the national and local levels.   

    The reason socialism is demanded across the political spectrum is it pays so well for those in charge.  Welcome to politics 101.1.   Socialism is a parasite that eventually kills the host organism.  It always has been and it always will be.  Any system of governance that ignores fundamental human nature is doomed to failure from the start.  Any system of governance that ignores objective truth is doomed from the start.  A constitutional republic is the highest and best form of national governance yet devised and even that can be corrupted from within.  Welcome to politics 101.2.

    As long as we are governed by lawyers, accountants, administrators and unelected bureaucrats we will never be able to reach our potential.  A more pithy observation from someone more qualified than myself to comment on it follows:

    "The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best."   

    "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." 

    Both quotes are by Dr. Thomas Sowell.
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