Foxtrot Mike

[Mr. Nobody]

So I'm curious if anyone has a model of these guns, ever seen one in person, or shot one... and of course what you think of it.

These seem interesting and could make for a handy little PCC HD gun, car gun, or just all around fun gun. I'd be looking at a 9mm model since all my semis are now 9mm Glocks and that's what I'm sticking with going forward. Oh these models use Glock mags but you can get a Colt model as well for use with their mags I've read.

https://fm-products.com/fm-7-glock-style-side-charging-9mm-ar-pistol-sba3-brace/

They can be had in AR Pistol style all the way up to rifle styles.

They're also almost all made in house, good reviews out there, and AFFORDABLE.

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[AZDTC]

I owned one for 6 months last year. Wasn’t the best “pistol”. I had issues with it straight out of the box. Buffer was too heavy and the extractor broke on my first range trip.

Your mileage may vary. Got a buddy with one and he must have put 10k rounds through it by now with very few issues.

Replacing stuff on a 9mm AR can be annoying since there’s no real standard to the 9mm platform.

You said it best though, they’re not expensive and you might get one that just plain works. AND for a home defense gun, you’re not going to blow your ears out completely compared to something in 5.56 if you need to use it.

[Mr. Nobody]

Good to know on some QC issues perhaps or just a lemon for yours. Sorry to hear it.

Thank you!

That's what I figured as well on the 9mm vs 5.56 if fired indoors.

I'm also eyeing the CZ Scorpion as a contender (obviously more $$$) and the Ruger PCC with the free-floating handguards look nice as well and about the same as a FM.

The 9mm PCC guns are alluring because they'd be light recoil, less noise, less cost for ammo, and I imagine fun to blast with.

[870policemag]

I've transferred several of these but haven't really heard anything about them. We've got a Ruger PC takedown and a G17 Patter Kel tec Sub-2000. I've really been eyeballing the Kel tec because of the 20 or so G17 mags I have laying around.

 Those Extar polymer PCC ARs look pretty neat as well.

[Mr. Nobody]

I've transferred several of these but haven't really heard anything about them. We've got a Ruger PC takedown and a G17 Patter Kel tec Sub-2000. I've really been eyeballing the Kel tec because of the 20 or so G17 mags I have laying around.

 Those Extar polymer PCC ARs look pretty neat as well.

Thank you for the recommendation and I'll check them out as well.

I haven't hit the buying stage just yet, more so stacking dollars and looking so at least I got a little time to think and do more research.

[PogoJack]

I almost got a Foxtrot Mike, then I started watching some videos on the Extar EP9

Extar are made in AZ (Lake Havasu) and are neat little PDWs with familiar controls and for $450. They go in and out of stock but they can notify you when they are in stock.  They are in stock as of today.

Got one that I've yet to shoot. Half tempted to put a binary on it. 



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[brandyspaw]

I almost got a Foxtrot Mike, then I started watching some videos on the Extar EP9

Extar are made in AZ (Lake Havasu) and are neat little PDWs with familiar controls and for $450. They go in and out of stock but they can notify you when they are in stock.  They are in stock as of today.

Just a heads up-I was interested in one of these but held off as I found the newer Extar EP9 production uses a sort of proprietary buffer tube.  A regular AR buffer tube won't interchange if you want to use an adjustable type pistol brace like the SB3 brace or want to SBR it with a regular stock.  I'm not sure when Extar changed the buffer tube design on the newer models but only older production can have the buffer tube changed out.  That might not be a concern for some but its a deal killer for me.

[PogoJack]

Just a heads up-I was interested in one of these but held off as I found the newer Extar EP9 production uses a sort of proprietary buffer tube.  A regular AR buffer tube won't interchange if you want to use an adjustable type pistol brace like the SB3 brace or want to SBR it with a regular stock.  I'm not sure when Extar changed the buffer tube design on the newer models but only older production can have the buffer tube changed out.  That might not be a concern for some but its a deal killer for me.

Fair point. There is a supposed fix for it, but it adds a significant percentage to the price of the pistol.

https://farrow.tech/extar-ep9-buffer-tube-adapter/

For that money, the Foxtrot Mike looks great. One thing I noticed is that they seem to have some specific models for different retailers. I wonder what the difference is?

[Mr. Nobody]

I almost got a Foxtrot Mike, then I started watching some videos on the Extar EP9

Extar are made in AZ (Lake Havasu) and are neat little PDWs with familiar controls and for $450. They go in and out of stock but they can notify you when they are in stock.  They are in stock as of today.

Got one that I've yet to shoot. Half tempted to put a binary on it. 



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Thanks for the info!

Just a heads up-I was interested in one of these but held off as I found the newer Extar EP9 production uses a sort of proprietary buffer tube.  A regular AR buffer tube won't interchange if you want to use an adjustable type pistol brace like the SB3 brace or want to SBR it with a regular stock.  I'm not sure when Extar changed the buffer tube design on the newer models but only older production can have the buffer tube changed out.  That might not be a concern for some but its a deal killer for me.

Good to know and appreciated.

[iflyskyhigh]

I have the 16” side charger FM upper.

Runs flawlessly on both my PSA and FM Lowers.

Eats every hand load I’ve thrown at it.

PSA lower is my custom job but the FM lower was a a complete premium lower from Rainer Arms.

I also have a custom built 5.5” TROS USA 3 lug upper that I run suppressed. Runs well in both lowers.

I have a sample size of 2, but both FM products I have are top notch well built items.

[Mr. Nobody]

I have the 16” side charger FM upper.

Runs flawlessly on both my PSA and FM Lowers.

Eats every hand load I’ve thrown at it.

PSA lower is my custom job but the FM lower was a a complete premium lower from Rainer Arms.

I also have a custom built 5.5” TROS USA 3 lug upper that I run suppressed. Runs well in both lowers.

I have a sample size of 2, but both FM products I have are top notch well built items.

Thank you! Much appreciated.

Part of the draw is wanting something that runs on Glock mags cause you can find them anywhere and I have plenty.

[JarheadAZ]

I really prefer my Ruger PC Carbine 9mm. It come with a SR-Series™ or Security-9® pistol magazine, but has swappable mag well adapters and comes with two, the second one is for the Glock.



https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19100.html

They make a third for their own Ruger American Pistol 9, and since that's my pistol, I have the well installed (from Brownell's) and 10 17rd mags to serve both guns.

It's a tight grouper at 100yd, amazed the poop right outta me with that.

Shoot one, you'll love it. It's not a pistol and has some heft, but that keeps it right on target offhand, and I love it. No perceptible recoil; its stays right on.

They also have other versions.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

Greg

[iflyskyhigh]

Thank you! Much appreciated.

Part of the draw is wanting something that runs on Glock mags cause you can find them anywhere and I have plenty.

Glock big sticks are plentiful, even in the current environment. And relatively cheap.

I’ve run Glock, ETS, and Magpul mags. All worked flawlessly.

FM recommends ammo at 1100 FPS for reliable functioning.

But I’ve run it with all my reloads with zero malfunctions to date.

My 147’s are just under 900 FPS, 124’s are around 1046 FPS, and 115’s are 1140 FPS.  All those speeds are from a G17, so obviously little faster in a 16” barrel.

I’ve shot coated lead, FMJs, JHPs.

The 115 coated lead RN are one ragged hole offhand at 15 yards. I zero my PCCs just like my red dot pistols. 12 yard zero.

FM says steel cases void warranty.

[JarheadAZ]

Note, Carbines need a full (not magnum) speed bullet, some issues with bore drag. I'm getting ready to load up a bunch of 44 Rem Mag, and I have to keep the velocity range up near the top for the carbine.

Greg

[Mr. Nobody]

I really prefer my Ruger PC Carbine 9mm. It come with a SR-Series™ or Security-9® pistol magazine, but has swappable mag well adapters and comes with two, the second one is for the Glock.



https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19100.html

They make a third for their own Ruger American Pistol 9, and since that's my pistol, I have the well installed (from Brownell's) and 10 17rd mags to serve both guns.

It's a tight grouper at 100yd, amazed the poop right outta me with that.

Shoot one, you'll love it. It's not a pistol and has some heft, but that keeps it right on target offhand, and I love it. No perceptible recoil; its stays right on.

They also have other versions.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

Greg

Thank you, Greg. That's one of the other models I'm interested in as well just with the free float handguard maybe. I like they can break down in half. Also cost is about the same. Might be a little less even as prices come back to earth.

Glock big sticks are plentiful, even in the current environment. And relatively cheap.

I’ve run Glock, ETS, and Magpul mags. All worked flawlessly.

FM recommends ammo at 1100 FPS for reliable functioning.

But I’ve run it with all my reloads with zero malfunctions to date.

My 147’s are just under 900 FPS, 124’s are around 1046 FPS, and 115’s are 1140 FPS.  All those speeds are from a G17, so obviously little faster in a 16” barrel.

I’ve shot coated lead, FMJs, JHPs.

The 115 coated lead RN are one ragged hole offhand at 15 yards. I zero my PCCs just like my red dot pistols. 12 yard zero.

FM says steel cases void warranty.

I agree and have a few fun sticks around. Gotta buy more. Never know when the zombie apocalypse might kick off. Haha.

Thank you. That is definitely a good recommendation and good info to know it runs with all weights as well of 9 mm.

[JarheadAZ]

My only complaint is LOP. The PCC has "Industry Standard" LOP which is nearly 3" too short for me. I am 6' 4". But it also comes with some stock pad spacers, still not enough for me, but for someone else....

I have to take the spacers out in order to get it into my rifle/radios sling pack, and they require longer mounting screws. All very minor issues, really.

[sparx]

Has anyone ever seen a seen a stranger looking gun than  Ruger PC Carbine 9mm?

I decided on a PSA  ARV 8", have not fired it as yet though.
sparx

[coelacanth]

Umm .  .  .  have you ever seen a California compliant AR pattern rifle?   

[GTGallop]

They look like a birth defect.

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