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Re: Outdoor shooting
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2021, 08:30:05 pm »
It's definitely tough to shoot when it's smoking hot. Unless you like early AM.

When it's too miserable in the summer, I'll hit Shooter's World either in Peoria or Phoenix.

I like them. Yeah it's inside, and yeah I drop close to a $20 to go blasting but I got AC and don't have to walk to my target to get it and about die cause it's 1,000 degrees outside.

So inside is an option to escape the misery of the heat and burning sun during summer.

The Shooter's World in Peoria is my favorite.

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    « Reply #26 on: July 16, 2021, 08:38:33 pm »
    Speaking of outdoor shooting, recently I've heard two people mention that shooting steel case ammo can cause a fire (the bi-metal bullet hitting a rock and creating a spark). I've heard of indoor ranges not allowing the use of steel case ammo for various reasons, but is there any documented situation where the ammo created a spark and caused a fire?  :hmm

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    « Reply #27 on: July 17, 2021, 06:49:54 am »
    What is a reliable method for keeping track of where you are and/or being on reservation land?

    I use GaiaGPS for that.  It costs like $40 to $60 bucks a year but is really worth it because it does a WHOLE lot more.
    1. It lets me save off line maps so it still works when there is no cell
    2. I can tell if I'm on BLM, State Trust, National Forest, National Monument, Indian reservation, Indian annexed property* or Private Property and act accordingly.  It really is a patchwork out in some parts of the state like from the 101 to Crown King.
    3. I can see where former mining claims and mines are - useful for not falling in a shaft
    4. I can see what the next 24/48 hour rain fall predictions are
    5. I can see wildfire activity
    6. Topo Maps obviously
    7. Route and Way point Tracking - even off cell network
    8. You can build custom layers - I made one for all of the Amateur Radio Repeaters that I keep programmed in my radio so I can pull it up on the map and see where I am in relationship to a tower so I know where I can get reliable comms from.

    Once you get it, it becomes addictive.  Thank GOD it works with Apple Car Play to display on my dash "Info-Tainment" Screen.  If not, the amount f information it provides could be overwhelming on a cell phone.  I'd be looking to get a large tablet to add to the dash.  I understand the newer vehicles have larger and larger screens coming.  It will make data intensive apps like Gaia even better.

    Edit ==> I forgot to add the explanation for the *
    Note*: Some reservations have purchased private land that is adjacent to their property or may even be completely disconnected.  A good example is the Pima Res in North Scottsdale.  East of the 101 is Res Land with Res Laws.  West of the 101 where the shopping centers are and office buildings and the baseball field that the DB's use for Spring Training is owned by the Pima but is not actually Res-Land.  It is however, patrolled by Scottsdale PD, Res-PD, and I have seen State Troopers an Highway Patrol running radar / speed interdiction on the 101 around that area.  So how do he F do you know where you are?  Your guess is as good as mine as to what laws they will choose to enforce.
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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #28 on: July 17, 2021, 07:06:01 am »
    The Shooter's World in Peoria is my favorite.

    I agree. Clean facility, nice shooting experience always, and staff are alright. :thumbup

    On the plus side with indoor ranges, no breaks in shooting like needed for outdoor ranges.
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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #29 on: July 18, 2021, 08:14:36 am »
    This is a certified case of an indoor range fire caused by steel ammo, this is over 15 years ago. Burnsville Pistol Range (Burnsville MN), had recently added a 50 yard rifle bay and instead of the usual steel circular bullet velocity reduecer used in the pistol bays the builder used chopped up used tires. shortly after opening the new bay someone fire some sort of steel projectile and it started a fire in the rifle bay after apparently hitting some tire belting used to stop the bullets. significant damage was done to the range, but was repaired and is still open today. I had moved from MN 16 years ago and as I recall I had heard about it from my daughter who still lives in MN. So I'm very light on details, but I know for certain it actually happened. During my days in MN this was my go-to indoor range, have put many thousands of rounds into the backstop there.

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    « Reply #30 on: July 18, 2021, 11:07:00 am »
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    « Reply #31 on: July 18, 2021, 10:25:02 pm »
    This is a certified case of an indoor range fire caused by steel ammo, this is over 15 years ago. Burnsville Pistol Range (Burnsville MN), had recently added a 50 yard rifle bay and instead of the usual steel circular bullet velocity reduecer used in the pistol bays the builder used chopped up used tires. shortly after opening the new bay someone fire some sort of steel projectile and it started a fire in the rifle bay after apparently hitting some tire belting used to stop the bullets. significant damage was done to the range, but was repaired and is still open today. I had moved from MN 16 years ago and as I recall I had heard about it from my daughter who still lives in MN. So I'm very light on details, but I know for certain it actually happened. During my days in MN this was my go-to indoor range, have put many thousands of rounds into the backstop there.

    Mike

    Interesting, thank you!

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    « Reply #32 on: July 21, 2021, 06:40:13 am »
    What is a reliable method for keeping track of where you are and/or being on reservation land?

    I use GaiaGPS for that.  It costs like $40 to $60 bucks a year but is really worth it because it does a WHOLE lot more.
    1. It lets me save off line maps so it still works when there is no cell
    2. I can tell if I'm on BLM, State Trust, National Forest, National Monument, Indian reservation, Indian annexed property* or Private Property and act accordingly.  It really is a patchwork out in some parts of the state like from the 101 to Crown King.
    3. I can see where former mining claims and mines are - useful for not falling in a shaft
    4. I can see what the next 24/48 hour rain fall predictions are
    5. I can see wildfire activity
    6. Topo Maps obviously
    7. Route and Way point Tracking - even off cell network
    8. You can build custom layers - I made one for all of the Amateur Radio Repeaters that I keep programmed in my radio so I can pull it up on the map and see where I am in relationship to a tower so I know where I can get reliable comms from.

    Once you get it, it becomes addictive.  Thank GOD it works with Apple Car Play to display on my dash "Info-Tainment" Screen.  If not, the amount f information it provides could be overwhelming on a cell phone.  I'd be looking to get a large tablet to add to the dash.  I understand the newer vehicles have larger and larger screens coming.  It will make data intensive apps like Gaia even better.

    Edit ==> I forgot to add the explanation for the *
    Note*: Some reservations have purchased private land that is adjacent to their property or may even be completely disconnected.  A good example is the Pima Res in North Scottsdale.  East of the 101 is Res Land with Res Laws.  West of the 101 where the shopping centers are and office buildings and the baseball field that the DB's use for Spring Training is owned by the Pima but is not actually Res-Land.  It is however, patrolled by Scottsdale PD, Res-PD, and I have seen State Troopers an Highway Patrol running radar / speed interdiction on the 101 around that area.  So how do he F do you know where you are?  Your guess is as good as mine as to what laws they will choose to enforce.


    As a follow on...
    I was watching the Trail Cams Video about the 1000 Cats of the Sky Islands Project over on Guy1AZ's post and caught the www of the SkyIsland Project.  Pretty Cool.  But it took me to a different site for "Spring Seekers" (thank you internet ADD) for people looking for springs.  So I moved it up to my area of the map to look for springs but then I noticed that the patchwork of land ownership became very clear (again the WWW-ADD).  And that made me think of this thread about outdoor shooting and having to know where you are for all of the rules you have to follow at your particular location.

    WHEW!

    I think we have them all except Fish and Wildlife (protected wetlands), National Parks, Indians, Military, State Wildlife, and Other / Other Federal.
    And look at how some places on the map have large contiguous swaths of land but then some areas are a tiny patchwork of postage stamps with very different firearms rules for shooting.
    And oddly enough - the patchwork areas are the ones with the most / best roads.  Easiest access.  Highest traffic.  So you are much more likely to be in those areas or traveling through those areas to get to the bigger patches of land.  Makes "just rolling out into the desert to go shoot" a lot more challenging than you think.

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    Once we, as a society, lose that affinity, we begin to descend back into the animal kingdom, and after three or more days you will find the food chain beginning to invert on itself.

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    « Reply #33 on: July 21, 2021, 09:31:02 am »
    Agriculture is our bane for shooting here in SE Cochise County. Between crops, workers, and Cattle, there's not much land available unless you know an agreeable owner.

    We have a privately owned 'pit' (100yd) just outside of town.

    Then there's Douglas Municipal Shooting Park (300yd/meters) 50 mi South on 191S from where I live. $60 a yr, 1/2 price for Seniors (me). 5$ a day non-members, must be escorted, closed Mon & Tue, Opens after noon on Wed to public, thru Sun. Douglas is right on The Border. Not good to go alone, although there is a very polite and competent range master "full time".

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    « Reply #34 on: July 21, 2021, 09:38:52 am »
    Hey thanks GT....I had not see that map...awesome.
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    « Reply #35 on: July 21, 2021, 04:39:17 pm »
    GT - Thanks I have learned something new again.

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    « Reply #36 on: July 21, 2021, 05:12:24 pm »


    I am a font of useless info.  Glad y'all got something out of it.   ;-)
    The only thing that separates man from animal is our affinity for toilet paper.
    Once we, as a society, lose that affinity, we begin to descend back into the animal kingdom, and after three or more days you will find the food chain beginning to invert on itself.

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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #37 on: July 21, 2021, 08:50:04 pm »
    Speaking of outdoor shooting, recently I've heard two people mention that shooting steel case ammo can cause a fire (the bi-metal bullet hitting a rock and creating a spark). I've heard of indoor ranges not allowing the use of steel case ammo for various reasons, but is there any documented situation where the ammo created a spark and caused a fire?  :hmm

    Steel case and steel core are 2 different things.Steel case will not start a fire but steel cored ammo can.

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    « Reply #38 on: July 22, 2021, 01:28:45 pm »
    I've shot steel core at steel in the dusk. Looks like a fireworks show. Back East and in the damp season.

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    Not lookin' to be in a gunfight, but if you find yourself mixed up in one, it might be kinda nice to have a gun...

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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #39 on: July 23, 2021, 12:47:37 pm »
    Mild steel jacketed bullets will spark when hitting rocks or backstops, and was/is common in cheap imported rounds.

    I've even got some old domestic rounds in 30 Carbine that have copper washed (or plated) steel jacketed bullets.

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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #40 on: July 23, 2021, 02:47:02 pm »
    Gilding metal clad steel (GMCS) was the standard jacket material for M80, 7.62X51 and M2, 30-06 USGI ball for many years. Lake City made billions of rounds of it.

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    Re: Outdoor shooting
    « Reply #41 on: July 23, 2021, 03:28:45 pm »
    You’d have to think that the target shooting restrictions on BLM land will be lifted early this year. Last year it was late October if I remember correctly?

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    « Reply #42 on: July 23, 2021, 03:37:01 pm »
    Speaking of outdoor shooting, recently I've heard two people mention that shooting steel case ammo can cause a fire (the bi-metal bullet hitting a rock and creating a spark). I've heard of indoor ranges not allowing the use of steel case ammo for various reasons, but is there any documented situation where the ammo created a spark and caused a fire?  :hmm
    Just look at the fire scars on the hillside behind the target banks at Ben Avery for "proof".

    And as already noted steel jacket ed, not steel case.

    The big part of the steel jacket problem is what kind of rocks the backstop is made of.

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    « Reply #43 on: July 23, 2021, 04:11:43 pm »
    Just look at the fire scars on the hillside behind the target banks at Ben Avery for "proof".

    And as already noted steel jacket ed, not steel case.

    The big part of the steel jacket problem is what kind of rocks the backstop is made of.

    I think you meant steel core.
    There is no steel jacketed small arms ammunition that I am aware of.
    « Last Edit: July 23, 2021, 04:24:10 pm by GTGallop »
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    Once we, as a society, lose that affinity, we begin to descend back into the animal kingdom, and after three or more days you will find the food chain beginning to invert on itself.

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    « Reply #44 on: July 23, 2021, 04:27:20 pm »
    You’d have to think that the target shooting restrictions on BLM land will be lifted early this year. Last year it was late October if I remember correctly?

    Check their site. South AZ BLM is cleared last I checked.

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    « Reply #45 on: July 23, 2021, 06:52:49 pm »
    I think you meant steel core.
    There is no steel jacketed small arms ammunition that I am aware of.
    Most all foreign military ammo is steel jacketed (gilded copper) and much of the GI 308 (7.62) is. Not steel core, but steel jacket.

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    « Reply #46 on: July 24, 2021, 07:26:30 am »
    REALY!??!!??  I never realized that.
    What is the reason / purpose?  It seems it would be harder and more expensive to manufacture.
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    « Reply #47 on: July 25, 2021, 06:27:01 am »
    REALY!??!!??  I never realized that.
    What is the reason / purpose?  It seems it would be harder and more expensive to manufacture.

    Actually it is not and steel cost on average is 40 times less than copper.

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    « Reply #48 on: July 25, 2021, 08:47:20 am »
    I'm beyond shocked that I had never been exposed to that.  Thanks for the 411.
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    « Reply #49 on: August 03, 2021, 07:49:35 am »
    +1 for Rio Salado, and shooting in the heat is great because there are less crowds and less dangerous noobs. I do recommend a growler with ice water and a cooling towel though. The stalls are shaded and they go out to past 200 yards, though not sure what the max is.

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