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7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
« on: November 23, 2021, 04:30:19 pm »
I have recently gotten a yen for an AR in 7.62x39, which is crazy during these times.

I’ve heard the CMMG Mutant is good to go but probably not what I want to buy into right now. A buddy at Sig is going to hook me up with an employee discount, so I’m looking at the 556R or maybe an 8.5 inch PSA KS47 pistol. Want something that can take AK pattern mags and fit in a Jeep/small truck. God up to 300 yards is all I ever need.

Are these ARs more accurate than their AK counterparts?

Better to just get 300AAC upper and call it a day?

What say you?

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #1 on: November 23, 2021, 04:43:54 pm »
    Just a general statement...but the AR platform is considered more accurate in any caliber than any AK platform other than maybe the Israeli made or Finnish made versions which are superior to any Combloc examples.  That being said...some AR platform rifles are simply better made than others just like any piece of mechanical equipment.

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #2 on: November 24, 2021, 08:21:13 am »
    I don't think the SIG 556R is even made anymore?  Did the friend that works at SIG tell you you they were still available?

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #3 on: November 24, 2021, 08:25:40 am »
    x39 just doesnt make sense to me.
    weird mags
    different bolt
    ammo problems.

    just get a blackout and call it good.
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #4 on: November 24, 2021, 09:39:19 am »
    I just put up my Savage 10FCM Scout 7.62x39, and a never fired, still in cosmo Yugo 59/66 SKS (with grenade launcher and night sights) for raffle to benefit two Veterans' Post, a VFW and an American Legion. They brought in a combined $3000. The Savage shoots like a varmint rifle, the SKS, who knows?

    This was in direct response the the Potatus' ban on Com-bloc ammo, etc. (Never waste a perfectly good crisis... R. Emanuel, AGUSA-Emeritus). Some fights I'd rather fight on my on terms. I expect that someday in my lifetime, these sorts of problems will go away forever, as soon as the American Voting public grows a pair.

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #5 on: November 24, 2021, 09:56:04 am »
    I have been looking at them too. PSA has one that takes AK mags. Rear charger is awkward with no bolt hold open. Not a standard lower. Looking at ballistics and reliability I would not go below 10.5". C Mag makes the best AR style mag that fits standard AR lowers. Under $20. You can get a complete pistol from PSA and Bear Creek Arsenal for under $600.
    BCA has rear and side chargers but no brace. I prefer the side chargers. Braces are in trouble right now and I am looking at no brace cheek weld. Just not sure how well it will work with the higher recoil of the 30 cal rounds. I may go with a 5.56 so my wife might be able to shoot it. Additional uppers are in the $200-250 range at BCA.

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #6 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:19 am »
    x39 just doesnt make sense to me.
    weird mags
    different bolt
    ammo problems.

    just get a blackout and call it good.

    Ammunition at 1/2 the price makes a bit of sense...no?

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #7 on: November 24, 2021, 12:07:44 pm »
    i dont concern myself with ammo costs as i can make blackout for cheaper and at way higher quality then buying steel x39 ammo. thats why i say for me. if a person doesnt reload by now id say they should learn from prior events that this panic and price hike will happen again. but thats slightly off topic.
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #8 on: November 24, 2021, 02:20:20 pm »
    Primers and powder are still scarce but I have some. Also have a lower that was reasonable. Under $400 for a complete pistol is attractive. I have a bunch of 5.56x45 cases. Would have to get 300BO dies and suitable bullets. See what comes up Black Friday. I could get a BCA 5.56 and a 300BO for about $400. I would have to color tape some mags strictly for 300BO so they don't get mixed. 300BO will chamber in a 5.56x45 and go boom. Makes me nervous that my wife might load the wrong mag. 300BO maxes in about 10".
    There is not much rim left on the bolt when it is cut for the 7.62x39 case and then there are the hard primers. Also considered 350 Legend. Not cheap but I have been seeing it available at $1 a round until you get some brass.

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #9 on: November 24, 2021, 03:57:51 pm »
    Yes I saw the wallered out 556 bolt. They say it’s reliable but it looks so wrong. The CMMG bolt is from an AR10 and looks much beefier. Thank you for the info. Maybe I’ll get that 300 Blackout upper. I have nightmares of loading the wrong magazines though…

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #10 on: November 24, 2021, 08:39:16 pm »
    Why not a Mini 30?
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #11 on: November 25, 2021, 06:38:27 am »
    I have a Mini 30 which I like a lot. It is a rifle and we are talking about pistols. If I go with a 7.62x39 pistol I think it will be an AK. For now I will either get a 5.56 or a 300BO or possibly both. I will see tomorrow. A 6.5 or 6.8  would be interesting except for ammo and upper availability. 6.5 Grendel would need the same bolt as the 7.62x39.
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    « Reply #12 on: November 25, 2021, 08:00:11 am »
    While I'm out of that market now, I have still long believed the 7.62x39 has the most overlooked potential for subsonics.

    Treating it as a pistol round and loading it with heavies and Unique could be a useful pursuit.

    BTW, in my above post, the part about he raffle, there's a typo.

    It says $3000. It should be $5000.

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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #13 on: November 25, 2021, 09:21:20 am »
    The Russians have gone to a 9x39 for subsonic. 350 Legend would be a good subsonic candidate. I have a single shot 357 rifle with threaded barrel. I load 158 grain to 1000 fps for the can. I can load a lot heavier bullets but the 158's are cheap. Need a bullet mold and lead pot for the heavier bullets.
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #14 on: November 25, 2021, 09:54:21 am »
    I have two 7.52x39 ARs, one is a pistol. But mine take AR style mags, just with more of a curve to them. Only have a few rounds through as the mags are not feeding the rounds up like they should. I clearanced the top edges of one mag and lubed it and it seemed to help a lot just manually cycling it.
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
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    « Reply #16 on: November 25, 2021, 10:29:03 am »
    C mags are supposed to be the best for the 7.62x39.
    https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/C-Products-7-62x39-AR-15-Stainless-Steel-Magazines-p/cpd-762x39-mag.htm

    Yeah I researched before I bought and all of my 7.62x39 AR mags are made by C Products. I think they are good products, just tight when new. I have been loading and unloading them by hand to kind of break them in (I hope).
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    Re: 7.62x39 ARs. Foolishness at this point?
    « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2021, 06:25:27 am »
    I ordered the 10.5" 5.56x45 side charger upper from BCA. I am hoping my wife can shoot it. A tad under $200 shipped. The 7.62x39 would have been the same price.

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